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Mat Rawsthorne

26 October 2012

I got the same kind of ‘meta-stating’ / stepback effect when I really got into doing CBT thought records – they became such an academic exercise they didn’t really impact on my mood much in the end. I think it is hard to use CL on yourself because part of it is the surprise/skill of change of focus by the questioner. Not to re-invent ELIZA, I think you could automate the questioning so you could use it on your own but in effect it would be another entity asking the questions and drilling down to clarity. The tricky thing with using technology is capturing and reflecting the non-verbals. All this thinking about thinking is trance-inducing too!

Judy

26 October 2012

Thanks Mat. Re automation, there is a Clean Cards app which asks questions, and also a couple of online Clean question-askers. But their effect is limited because the user still chooses what to ask about.

Maarten Aalberse

30 October 2012

I’m often surprized about what emerges when I write down my responses. And maybe walk around a bit before I ask myself the next question.

taking the reply with me, for a moment, before moving on.

This also feeds my curiosity.

If i only do a “clean inner dialogue”, I tend to get lost rather easy, or else remain in a all to familiar rut… And/or: “i fire away questions at myself” with not so friendly intentions…

Julie

30 October 2012

After afew sessions with a practice partner or CL coach I believe it is entirely possible to self coach with Clean. I don’t know if it would work otherwise as I’ve not tried that.

For me it really helps to draw the metaphor/situation I’m working on. Sometimes just filling in the details allows me to see/hear things I’d not noticed “in my head”. I agree that writing down the answers also helps. In my case I can notice all the I/eye, hear/here stuff and notice spaces between and containers and directions ……..all sorts of things that I’m not aware of when I’m speaking with a coach. Actually it is really surprising what emerges, I agree with Maarten! Plus I can take as long as I need to ask myself about everything and anything and take as long as I need to get into my body and feel if it’s “right”. Yes definitely possible to get deeper insights. Also I feel free to be entirely honest with myself which I might not always want to be with a coach.

Mike

30 October 2012

I have tried it on myself a few times and find it helpful – but no doubt not as effective as having an expert do it with you for all the reasons stated above. So I think it is useful for some ad hoc things – but it’s worth investing in a coach for the more heavyweight issues.

Elisabeth

30 October 2012

I’ve tried, without success…

But what I do is I listen to recordings of myself coaching others and then I play with… What would I’ve asked if I were using CL with myself?

jack austin

31 October 2012

Judy what brilliant taste!

You really chose outstanding examples for this post.

The difficulty of self-knowledge and self-investigation is legendary. The example of how through Beau Lotto’s examples is powerful and generative. The application ala Baruch Krauss is outstanding and inspiring. Knowing and doing make all the difference. What courage from Amy, Beau, Baruch and you! Bravo!

David Brown

19 February 2014

I woke from a disturbing dream this morning, and asked some clean questions about it, with very empowering results.

I suppose that being out of the dream provided a distinct dissociation. I have it in mind to combine clean language with multiple levels of dissociation, inspired by the work of Richard Bolstad

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