I love the smell of controversy at tea time! I quickly clean languaged myself the other day using the three questions outlined in your intelligent persuasion video I purchased. It uncovered a resourceful feeling I don’t think I’ve experienced before so now I have a reference point to begin to learn how to get at it. Work in progress but fascinating all the same. Not sure if you have seen this paper by Bargh but may add to the pot for you and anyone else interested. Cheers Judy, Alistair
great post we love the way you use and describe clean language 🙂
Our interpretation from what we have been reading and observed about the way you use clean language is that it enables people to spring clean their thought process as they are in the process of expressing themselves and as you know spring cleaning is done thoroughly but rather quickly and when finished everything sparkles with a new clarity that was not clear before the process 🙂
Thanks insightful as always Judy,
Bye bye
The English Sisters
Maarten Aalberse
12 April 2011
I think it is time to go beyond “my … is bigger, stronger and lasts longer” discussions that have characterized the NLP field for too long (and did it a lot of damage, IMO).
I also think that the underlying process is over-generalization.
Much more interesting is to specify: which approach when, with whom?
Maarten Aalberse
12 April 2011
Another element that I think is “food for thought”: newer methods often work (apparently) better and faster than older ones… until they aren’t new anymore.
Now why would that be?
Peter Wright
12 April 2011 Hi Judy,
Great post – and very thought provoking as well.
As you probably know at this stage in my development I’m primarily a practical user of those aspects of Clean Language that I know work for me – rather than someone who has a wide range of both knowledge and experiential use of CL.
In other words I am anything but an expert!
I’ve looked at the contexts in which I’ve used those particular aspects of Clean, and the common thread for me and those clients has been time constraint. In most cases including those I’ve chronicled in my blog, I’ve had less than 30 minutes with a client in which to meet and greet, open a dialogue and explore areas that may be useful for them, do some changework if necessary and then close.
I’ve used my version of ‘speed’ Clean with clients who’ve shown me a metaphorical open door – and yes, I’ve used it in conjunction with elements of other techniques and methodologies, but I would say that (as you suggest) the catalyst – the spark that lights it all up – has been Clean Language.
The use of Clean helps me to clarify which metaphorical landscape to work in for each particular client. This I think is because they are in their own story, their own film, and I am their lighting engineer and cameraman, say – whilst they are perhaps the director – and when they notice what they notice and match it to their script, then they get those insights and understandings and see how the film might be better.
Sometimes the metaphorical landscape can be linked to certain physical movements: and often here things become even more powerful for the client.
I love working with CL because there are always answers, pointers of some immediate use. Clients (especially those with vivid imaginations) present working metaphors quite early in the conversation, and of course, because I’m dealing with their story, the doors to rapport open more readily.
And, needless to say, the outcomes are always wonderful to behold.
Judy
12 April 2011
Many, many thanks for your comments, all.
Maarten, any thoughts on the question of “how does it work?” specifically?
Maarten Aalberse
13 April 2011
In fact, yes, Judy… But a bit too long for this blog. I’m writing an article on this, right now – and it’s slow going…
It’s about using the knowledge on processes (or factors, if you like) that have been shown to mediate change in psychotherapy (and coaching), knowing which processes need to be especially focused on with which unique client, and then see how approaches in Clean, NLP or whatever do this, and… how they might do it more specifically.
Sorry for being so general… that’s the limit of blog-commentaries.
Judy
13 April 2011
Aha! I guessed there might be an article in the offing. Look forward to reading it!
Maarten Aalberse
13 April 2011
You’ll have to exercice your patience a bit, Judy:-)
But I’ll be happy to send a draft to you, once I’m there.
I will do a poster on this very topic during the international ACT conference in Parma (metaphors is a hot topic in ACT – Acceptance and Commitment therapy – too…
I hope to get some helpful feedback there, which will help me to +/- finalize this particular chapter.
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Alistair Donnell
12 April 2011
I love the smell of controversy at tea time! I quickly clean languaged myself the other day using the three questions outlined in your intelligent persuasion video I purchased. It uncovered a resourceful feeling I don’t think I’ve experienced before so now I have a reference point to begin to learn how to get at it. Work in progress but fascinating all the same. Not sure if you have seen this paper by Bargh but may add to the pot for you and anyone else interested. Cheers Judy, Alistair
http://www.yale.edu/acmelab/articles/Scaffolded_Mind_EJSP.pdf
The English Sisters
12 April 2011
Hi Judy
great post we love the way you use and describe clean language 🙂
Our interpretation from what we have been reading and observed about the way you use clean language is that it enables people to spring clean their thought process as they are in the process of expressing themselves and as you know spring cleaning is done thoroughly but rather quickly and when finished everything sparkles with a new clarity that was not clear before the process 🙂
Thanks insightful as always Judy,
Bye bye
The English Sisters
Maarten Aalberse
12 April 2011
I think it is time to go beyond “my … is bigger, stronger and lasts longer” discussions that have characterized the NLP field for too long (and did it a lot of damage, IMO).
I also think that the underlying process is over-generalization.
Much more interesting is to specify: which approach when, with whom?
Maarten Aalberse
12 April 2011
Another element that I think is “food for thought”: newer methods often work (apparently) better and faster than older ones… until they aren’t new anymore.
Now why would that be?
Peter Wright
12 April 2011 Hi Judy,
Great post – and very thought provoking as well.
As you probably know at this stage in my development I’m primarily a practical user of those aspects of Clean Language that I know work for me – rather than someone who has a wide range of both knowledge and experiential use of CL.
In other words I am anything but an expert!
I’ve looked at the contexts in which I’ve used those particular aspects of Clean, and the common thread for me and those clients has been time constraint. In most cases including those I’ve chronicled in my blog, I’ve had less than 30 minutes with a client in which to meet and greet, open a dialogue and explore areas that may be useful for them, do some changework if necessary and then close.
I’ve used my version of ‘speed’ Clean with clients who’ve shown me a metaphorical open door – and yes, I’ve used it in conjunction with elements of other techniques and methodologies, but I would say that (as you suggest) the catalyst – the spark that lights it all up – has been Clean Language.
The use of Clean helps me to clarify which metaphorical landscape to work in for each particular client. This I think is because they are in their own story, their own film, and I am their lighting engineer and cameraman, say – whilst they are perhaps the director – and when they notice what they notice and match it to their script, then they get those insights and understandings and see how the film might be better.
Sometimes the metaphorical landscape can be linked to certain physical movements: and often here things become even more powerful for the client.
I love working with CL because there are always answers, pointers of some immediate use. Clients (especially those with vivid imaginations) present working metaphors quite early in the conversation, and of course, because I’m dealing with their story, the doors to rapport open more readily.
And, needless to say, the outcomes are always wonderful to behold.
Judy
12 April 2011
Many, many thanks for your comments, all.
Maarten, any thoughts on the question of “how does it work?” specifically?
Maarten Aalberse
13 April 2011
In fact, yes, Judy… But a bit too long for this blog. I’m writing an article on this, right now – and it’s slow going…
It’s about using the knowledge on processes (or factors, if you like) that have been shown to mediate change in psychotherapy (and coaching), knowing which processes need to be especially focused on with which unique client, and then see how approaches in Clean, NLP or whatever do this, and… how they might do it more specifically.
Sorry for being so general… that’s the limit of blog-commentaries.
Judy
13 April 2011
Aha! I guessed there might be an article in the offing. Look forward to reading it!
Maarten Aalberse
13 April 2011
You’ll have to exercice your patience a bit, Judy:-)
But I’ll be happy to send a draft to you, once I’m there.
I will do a poster on this very topic during the international ACT conference in Parma (metaphors is a hot topic in ACT – Acceptance and Commitment therapy – too…
I hope to get some helpful feedback there, which will help me to +/- finalize this particular chapter.