Judith Delozier who is still actively involved with NLP and was one of the group of early developers was married to John Grinder. So perhaps she is the woman who David Grove squired around. Her names appears as one of the authors of Vol 2 of “Patterns of Hypnotic Techniques of Milton Erickson”
JR
19 April 2017
Thanks @Greg, it definitely wasn’t Judith, she says she’s never met David. I think it’s a woman called Kathleen.
caitlin walker
20 April 2017
In terms of the early years, I’m no expert.
I do think it’s worth a mention that Penny and James, modelling David were clearly highly skilled and experienced NLP modellers and NLP Psychotherapists and their learning from that discipline will have had a huge influence on their modelling of David and their coding of his work.
As well as this, so many of those who took their model of David’s work and indeed those of us who were learning from them as well as modelling David alongside them have a strong NLP background – my training in NLP started in 1989 I know Systemic Modelling is influenced by NLP as well as TA.
I therefore think that Clean Language – as many people are teaching it and are using it today will have NLP influences in many aspects of their practice and in their delivery.
Chris Grimsley and Glenda Sutcliffe who worked extensively with David and have had Clean Language as part of their NLP trainings since the mid 2000’s have a style of NLP teaching that I believe was already closely aligned with David’s values. Cricket Kemp has also had Clean Language, within her NLP North East company, since 2000. Jennifer De Gandt who heads up Clean Language and EK France is also an old school NLPer.
Also whatever David’s connections with NLP while he was developing Clean Language, he spent a lot of time hanging out with NLPers while he continued to develop it and the wrangling and wrestling that we were all doing will also have had an influence along the way.
I imagine Cei will know a lot and might share more of her thoughts there are others around in those early days who may well remember more.
Ronald van Oosten
21 April 2017
Well, there is a Kathleen Grinder who is a registered agent for Unlimited, Ltd., John Grinder’s company. That might be her.
JR
23 April 2017
Sounds pretty likely! Any contact info?
Corrie van Wijk
24 April 2017
From what I learned about NLP and Clean Language, the difference is that NLP uses models and clean questioning is tailor-made.
David strived for a scientific approach and resented NLP. Having said that, NLP might be more close to neuroscience than any other approach, but at the time psychology was not as biological than it is now.
With Emergent Knowledge he tried to follow a scientific line and he started a book on that, which I now try to write.
Ronald van Oosten
24 April 2017
Kathleen Grinder
xxxxx
Phone Number
xxxxx
I got this off the Internet. I hope you will find her. Please share the gems you uncover.
Comments from original on judyrees.co.uk
Greg Turner
19 April 2017
Judith Delozier who is still actively involved with NLP and was one of the group of early developers was married to John Grinder. So perhaps she is the woman who David Grove squired around. Her names appears as one of the authors of Vol 2 of “Patterns of Hypnotic Techniques of Milton Erickson”
JR
19 April 2017
Thanks @Greg, it definitely wasn’t Judith, she says she’s never met David. I think it’s a woman called Kathleen.
caitlin walker
20 April 2017
In terms of the early years, I’m no expert.
I do think it’s worth a mention that Penny and James, modelling David were clearly highly skilled and experienced NLP modellers and NLP Psychotherapists and their learning from that discipline will have had a huge influence on their modelling of David and their coding of his work.
As well as this, so many of those who took their model of David’s work and indeed those of us who were learning from them as well as modelling David alongside them have a strong NLP background – my training in NLP started in 1989 I know Systemic Modelling is influenced by NLP as well as TA.
I therefore think that Clean Language – as many people are teaching it and are using it today will have NLP influences in many aspects of their practice and in their delivery.
Chris Grimsley and Glenda Sutcliffe who worked extensively with David and have had Clean Language as part of their NLP trainings since the mid 2000’s have a style of NLP teaching that I believe was already closely aligned with David’s values. Cricket Kemp has also had Clean Language, within her NLP North East company, since 2000. Jennifer De Gandt who heads up Clean Language and EK France is also an old school NLPer.
Also whatever David’s connections with NLP while he was developing Clean Language, he spent a lot of time hanging out with NLPers while he continued to develop it and the wrangling and wrestling that we were all doing will also have had an influence along the way.
I imagine Cei will know a lot and might share more of her thoughts there are others around in those early days who may well remember more.
Ronald van Oosten
21 April 2017
Well, there is a Kathleen Grinder who is a registered agent for Unlimited, Ltd., John Grinder’s company. That might be her.
JR
23 April 2017
Sounds pretty likely! Any contact info?
Corrie van Wijk
24 April 2017
From what I learned about NLP and Clean Language, the difference is that NLP uses models and clean questioning is tailor-made.
David strived for a scientific approach and resented NLP. Having said that, NLP might be more close to neuroscience than any other approach, but at the time psychology was not as biological than it is now.
With Emergent Knowledge he tried to follow a scientific line and he started a book on that, which I now try to write.
Ronald van Oosten
24 April 2017
Kathleen Grinder
xxxxx
Phone Number
xxxxx
I got this off the Internet. I hope you will find her. Please share the gems you uncover.