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Jan Nehyba

25 May 2023

This is a great topic. Thanks for it.

For me, the challenge is the tension between “rapport” (or working alliance between the client and me) and “Clean questions” (or sequences of the CL questions).

If someone says to me: “Don’t ask me these stupid questions,” and I admittedly can say WWYLTHH to that? But if it’s repeated, it’s a for me “clue” that the basal working alliance with me is being “disrupted”. I believe that if I want to minimize myself in the Clean Language process, I must first establish a basal rapport between myself and the client. I am the one who “holds the space” for the others to develop their relationship with the topic within the Clean session. Without the foundational rapport, this space could not exist.

So to use Clean Language in a session, I need to first have a rapport with the other person. I don’t think it’s a paradox that we must establish rapport first to destroy it and give space to the Clean Session. Instead, rapport is something that is “under” cleanness, something that “holds” cleanness.

Or is it not? I don’t really know… 🙂

James Lawley

28 May 2023

Thanks for the example Jan.

I think it is important to distinguish between Clean Language and the small set of questions David Grove identified which I call “classically Clean” i.e. clean in many – but not all – contexts.

In my opinion your example of asking ‘And what would you like to have happen?’ when a client has said “Don’t ask me these stupid questions,” is not Clean since it ignores the client’s request and the logic of the statement.

I suggest a more conversational but still Clean reply would be something like “Okay. What you like to talk about?” This honours the client’s request and is a question that is hopefully less likely to be regarded as “stupid”.

When the client naturally accesses the metaphorical domain of their experience, you can try to introduce some of the classically Clean questions and calibrate how they are received.

I don’t see any inherent incompatibility between Clean Language and “basal rapport”.

I really appreciate your continued interest in exploring how Clean works in practice.

Judy Rees

25 May 2023

Thanks for this Jan. There’s more about this kind of response in another recent post here: https://judyrees.substack.com/p/why-some-people-get-angry-when-you-ask-them-clean-language-questions

Your comment has me wondering, “What kind of rapport is that rapport?” I think David Grove used to say that the idea was for the facilitator to get into rapport with the client’s information, rather than the client. But to get there, one definitely needs some kind of ‘working alliance’.

That’s especially true in a one-on-one context. In a group, to what extent is what’s needed ‘rapport’? For me, it’s closer to ‘consent to a working alliance’.

Jonas Höglund

26 May 2023

Great topic!

Working in Swedish, I obviously have to use different words. It feels like the symbol-like metaphors are harder to elicit. Instead the clients often try to explain the feeling with more emotions and just increasing the number of words in the answer. Maybe it’s a language/social structure thing.

So the next question has a loooong string of words that all contain metaphors and I just have to pick one and it’s hard.

Judy Rees

26 May 2023

Thanks for this Jonas. The issue of people not “going into metaphor” is certainly not unique to Swedish. There’s a blog post here that might help: https://judyrees.substack.com/p/hard-nudge-someone-go-metaphor And of course you don’t need explicit, symbol-style metaphors to use Clean Language. All language is metaphorical, all the time!

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